que doidera,

[Pexera]

Se quem não tem religião não vai na igreja, eu me pergunto pq quem tem certeza que o PS os rouba joga no PS.

Quote de um email do PS sobre essas coisas ai.

Please keep in mind bad beats are a part of poker and happen to all players, whether they play poker in a live casino, at a friend's house, or online at PokerStars.

Poker EV graphs are not conclusive and should not be the only tool to look at when determining how badly you may be running or how well you have been playing. This topic is discussed extensively on poker forums such as 2+2. It is important to remember that streaks of good luck and bad luck do occur and can often last for a long period of time. What we can say is that over an infinite number of hands, both your actual winnings and expected winnings should be equal at point-infinity.

Once the deck is shuffled, it is set, and the order in which the cards are dealt cannot be changed. The software that shuffles and deals the cards cannot control who wins and loses. Neither can it recognise you as a player, nor your account details, nor your country of residence, nor allocated seating position. It just deals the cards and the rest is up to the players in the game.

Our software produces a shuffle that is completely random and favours no player over any other. The methods we use ensure complete randomization of the cards and complete unpredictability of the cards to come:

PokerStars Software Security - Secure Online Poker

We arranged for the largest consulting firm specializing in software security and quality, Cigital, to review PokerStars' shuffle. Their investigation found the shuffling be fair and random:

Random Number Generator - PokerStars Randomly Generated Numbers - RNG

We encourage you to review your own hand histories and to perform your own analysis using widely available poker tracking software. We have dealt over 100 billion hands and freely give real money hand histories any time someone requests them. If you want, we can send you a copy of every single real money hand history that you have played.

*Every* proper investigation of our shuffle has found the same thing: our cards are randomly shuffled. Many who have conducted such studies have posted their findings to the Internet. You can find two of them here:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec....E/f0rcZ_4tCJAJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec....g/a0yfh6QQcBcJ

We hope this information helps you to understand that PokerStars' games are fair. We value all of our players and take the integrity of our site very seriously.

Regards,

PokerStars Support Team

[LeoPimenta]

Se quem não tem religião não vai na igreja, eu me pergunto pq quem tem certeza que o PS os rouba joga no PS.

Quote de um email do PS sobre essas coisas ai.

Please keep in mind bad beats are a part of poker and happen to all players, whether they play poker in a live casino, at a friend's house, or online at PokerStars.

Poker EV graphs are not conclusive and should not be the only tool to look at when determining how badly you may be running or how well you have been playing. This topic is discussed extensively on poker forums such as 2+2. It is important to remember that streaks of good luck and bad luck do occur and can often last for a long period of time. What we can say is that over an infinite number of hands, both your actual winnings and expected winnings should be equal at point-infinity.

Once the deck is shuffled, it is set, and the order in which the cards are dealt cannot be changed. The software that shuffles and deals the cards cannot control who wins and loses. Neither can it recognise you as a player, nor your account details, nor your country of residence, nor allocated seating position. It just deals the cards and the rest is up to the players in the game.

Our software produces a shuffle that is completely random and favours no player over any other. The methods we use ensure complete randomization of the cards and complete unpredictability of the cards to come:

PokerStars Software Security - Secure Online Poker

We arranged for the largest consulting firm specializing in software security and quality, Cigital, to review PokerStars' shuffle. Their investigation found the shuffling be fair and random:

Random Number Generator - PokerStars Randomly Generated Numbers - RNG

We encourage you to review your own hand histories and to perform your own analysis using widely available poker tracking software. We have dealt over 100 billion hands and freely give real money hand histories any time someone requests them. If you want, we can send you a copy of every single real money hand history that you have played.

*Every* proper investigation of our shuffle has found the same thing: our cards are randomly shuffled. Many who have conducted such studies have posted their findings to the Internet. You can find two of them here:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec....E/f0rcZ_4tCJAJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec....g/a0yfh6QQcBcJ

We hope this information helps you to understand that PokerStars' games are fair. We value all of our players and take the integrity of our site very seriously.

Regards,

PokerStars Support Team

Cara, a PS só mandou auditar o código fonte do gerador de números randomicos, e o resto do Software? o que acontece depois do RNG? quem garante que após a geração do RNG o software não insira outros fatores?

Olha esse trecho tirado do site da PS:

Cigital analyzed the source code, entropy sources and documentation for PokerStars' RNG implementation. In addition, a sample RNG output stream provided by PokerStars was subjected to—and passed—FIPS 140-2 style testing. Using standard methods for exploiting RNGs and having full access to the source code, Cigital found no weaknesses in the PokerStars RNG, concluding that the implementation adheres to the current state-of-the-practice in generating random seed values.

E o resto do software? prq ela não manda auditar tudo?

E o que agrava mais e coloca ainda mais em check a confiabilidade da PS foi aquele episódio em que os donos foram declarados culpados por fraude nos EUA.


Sério, devia ser obrigatória a auditória de todo o código e hardware pelo menos para atuar no Brasil, assim poderíamos ter sites nacionais um pouco mais confiáveis.

Fonte:
Poker Stars Testing the RNG

[Bob&Wailers]

Que loco,

[coconuts]

O_O

[Rodrigobmz]

Mto mais fácil por a culpa no software do que estudar e bater o jogo.

[LeoPimenta]

Mto mais fácil por a culpa no software do que estudar e bater o jogo.

Blz continue acreditando no que quiser, estuda mesmo, mas estuda programação tb, estuda tb penetração de servidor, invada o servidor da PS, e depois estude o código e então seja um vencedor.

Olha os videos desse cara aqui, são 7 horas de videos no canal dele, olha os folds que ele da, olha as situações que a PS cria, o cara jogou por anos e abandonou o poker on line, da uma olhada.

magic612 - YouTube

[dawson]

Mto mais fácil por a culpa no software do que estudar e bater o jogo.

Blz continue acreditando no que quiser, estuda mesmo, mas estuda programação tb, estuda tb penetração de servidor, invada o servidor da PS, e depois estude o código e então seja um vencedor.

Olha os videos desse cara aqui, são 7 horas de videos no canal dele, olha os folds que ele da, olha as situações que a PS cria, o cara jogou por anos e abandonou o poker on line, da uma olhada.

magic612 - YouTube

me lembrou essa tirinha

[cazj88]

Mto mais fácil por a culpa no software do que estudar e bater o jogo.

Blz continue acreditando no que quiser, estuda mesmo, mas estuda programação tb, estuda tb penetração de servidor, invada o servidor da PS, e depois estude o código e então seja um vencedor.

Olha os videos desse cara aqui, são 7 horas de videos no canal dele, olha os folds que ele da, olha as situações que a PS cria, o cara jogou por anos e abandonou o poker on line, da uma olhada.

magic612 - YouTube

Só 7 horas?

[LeoPimenta]

flw

[Pexera]

flw

putz preciso parar de jogar live, os dealers aqui são rigged, e tão copiando o PS pq eu vi as mesmas coisas