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    Artigo - Diferenças entre Zoom e Mesas Regulares || Qual a opinião de vocês ?? ||

    Olá pessoal.
    Acabei de ler esse artigo e gostaria de saber a opinião de vocês (principalmente dos jogadores profissionais e mais avançados)... Basicamente o cara diz que os adversarios da Zoom é mais dificil de bater e que dá para se ter uma winrate bem maior nas mesas regulares.... é isso mesmo ??


    FONTE: BlackRain79: The Difference Between Zoom and Regular Poker Tables
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    The Difference Between Zoom and Regular Poker Tables

    One of the most common questions that I get asked about is the adjustments that need to be made for Zoom on Pokerstars. I also see this all the time on poker forums with some people even wondering when somebody is going to write a book on the topic. Well, it won't be me that writes it. That much I can assure you! I am pretty sure that nobody else will either though.

    The reason why is because the strategic differences between Zoom and the regular games just aren't large enough to warrant it. Pokerstars has done a great job marketing Zoom and it is still wildly popular with recreational players and grinders alike over two years since its release in May of 2012. However, at the end of the day it is still just the same game of poker. There are a couple of key differences between Zoom and regular poker games though that I will go into here.


    Speed

    The most obvious difference that anyone will notice right away is the speed of Zoom when compared to a regular table. Because of the fast fold button (which allows you to simply fold hands that you don't want to play instead of waiting for the action to be on you) Zoom tables deal somewhere in the neighbourhood of 4 times as many hands per hour as a regular table. Or if you are a live player it might be 10 or 12 times as fast as you are used to.

    Obviously this doesn't change anything about the actual game. It just speeds up the action considerably and allows you to get to the interesting hands that you want to play a lot faster. It is a brilliant idea and obviously great for grinders because they can get an incredible amount of hands in.

    It is also great for recreational players because they don't have to wait for some 24 tabler who is timing out on a simple preflop decision. They don't even have to wait to get dealt in. They can sit down and start splashing the virtual chips around immediately which is exactly what they want.


    Lack of Information

    The second most obvious difference with regards to Zoom is the big lack of information. With player pools on Pokerstars regularly in the hundreds of people at the micro and small stake levels you might only see the same person once every 20 hands or so. It is obviously therefore a lot harder to build up a reasonable sample on someone when compared to the regular tables where you collect data on them every single hand.

    This creates a different dynamic to the game. You can't take a sophisticated line against a reg based off of a mountain of data that you have collected on him. However it is also a two way street. They don't have much information on you either. In a way it is more like "real poker" as some live players might argue. But the important point is that you simply have to play more ABC by the book poker in many situations due to this lack of information.

    This isn't always a bad thing. I have discussed many ways to abuse this information gap in my DragTheBar Zoom videos by simply getting more aggressive than normal in a lot of common spots. Most of the mass multi-tabling nits won't have much information on you and they will just "wait for a better spot."


    Lack of Table Selection

    Lastly (and this is the real kicker for a lot of people including me) is that in Zoom you are stuck with the pool that you are in. You can't really table select and you certainly can't seat select at all. This is why winrates will simply always be higher in the regular games.

    I would actually argue that the fish play better in Zoom games as well because of the fact that they can just fast fold their way to a reasonably good hand. One of the main reasons that they play so many ridiculous hands in the regular games and in live games as well is because they get bored and don't want to wait.


    The Verdict

    So in closing you can probably already guess which games that I prefer to play in. I am not much of a big time rakeback grinder anymore though so 8 tabling Zoom for the next milestone bonus doesn't interest me very much. I am more interested in maintaining a higher winrate by chasing fish around and also being able to get position on them every single hand. This is more or less the whole point of the game in my opinion - consistently playing with much weaker players.

    With that said, at the very lowest limits (NL2 and NL5) I don't think it really matters which games you play in, Zoom or regular. There are huge whales and terrible regs everywhere (yes even in 2014). The Zoom games get pretty reg infested at higher limits though. Most people are grinding out very small winrates.

    I think that overall Zoom is a very good thing for poker as it is a new and exciting take on the game for many recreational players. It is also a marketing dream for Pokerstars. And it is also great if you are a prolific rakeback grinder.

    Listen, at the end of the day if you love playing Zoom then keep playing it, don't listen to me. The Zoom games are harder but the difference is not massive. And what they might lose in terms of game quality they certainly make up for in terms of fun. However, if maximizing your winrate and moving up quickly are your goals in poker, then I would suggest that the regular tables are probably a better bet for you.

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    @SpeedGame e @WhiteMotumbo por acompanhar o Blog de vocês a algum tempo, sei que vocês estão destruindo nas mesas Zoom, gostaria de saber a opinião de vocês sobre o artigo...

    Desde já Obrigado
    Abraços
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    é isso msm. Apesar das desvantagens do zoom eu ainda prefiro por ser mais prático e nao abrir 500 telas pra acabar com a minha visão.
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    Citação Postado originalmente por JuninhoFish Ver Post
    @SpeedGame e @WhiteMotumbo por acompanhar o Blog de vocês a algum tempo, sei que vocês estão destruindo nas mesas Zoom, gostaria de saber a opinião de vocês sobre o artigo...

    Desde já Obrigado
    Abraços
    Faltou marcar o @espoler e o @red_baron que estão matando tmb..

    E @SpeedGame e o resto da galera, quantas mãos por hora dá pra fazer com 2 telas Zoom

    valeu glgl
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    depende, entre 400-600 +-
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    depende, entre 400-600 +-
    valeu man.. te perguntei pelo skype mas acho q vc tava no ocupado.. dps ve ae.. abraços
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    realmente n existe nd melhor pra wr q se sentar em posição sobre um mega fish..

    mas a partir de um certo limite, tb ja nao é mais tão fácil achar esses spots perfeitos toda hora.. os regs vão tendo q usar scripts, tags e encaram grandes filas pra conseguir sentar nas melhores mesas.. isso é mt pouco prático comparado ao zoom, q vc abre 4 telas e em 15 segundos ja tá fazendo volume em velocidade de cruzeiro.

    o cara fala sobre as mesas zoom estarem infestadas de reg.. mas acho q a proporção geral do field nao muda tanto assim..

    eu migrei pro zoom em abril, dei uma patinada durante 1 mes ou menos, e hj nao troco por nada.
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    realmente n existe nd melhor pra wr q se sentar em posição sobre um mega fish..

    mas a partir de um certo limite, tb ja nao é mais tão fácil achar esses spots perfeitos toda hora.. os regs vão tendo q usar scripts, tags e encaram grandes filas pra conseguir sentar nas melhores mesas.. isso é mt pouco prático comparado ao zoom, q vc abre 4 telas e em 15 segundos ja tá fazendo volume em velocidade de cruzeiro.

    o cara fala sobre as mesas zoom estarem infestadas de reg.. mas acho q a proporção geral do field nao muda tanto assim..

    eu migrei pro zoom em abril, dei uma patinada durante 1 mes ou menos, e hj nao troco por nada.
    E vc mano, qtas mãos hora faz?? valeu

    gl
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    com 4 mesas em torno de 800/hr
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    Very nice. Simplificando, o caminho é jogar TAG ABC contra recreativos e contra REG’s jogar bem para frente, mais que o comum, que seria a forma de explorar a falta de informação sobre você.
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